{"id":2852,"date":"2010-01-04T22:53:32","date_gmt":"2010-01-05T04:53:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/?p=2852"},"modified":"2010-08-24T09:03:50","modified_gmt":"2010-08-24T15:03:50","slug":"world-class-old-new-classics-fini","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/world-class-old-new-classics-fini\/","title":{"rendered":"World class, old &#038; new classics, fini"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s not always that easy to walk back into a conversation 10 days later, so let&#8217;s clean up a few loose ends from the posts about &#8220;world class&#8221; and &#8220;world classics&#8221; and move on to whatever this blog is supposed to be about.<\/p>\n<li>The term &#8220;world class&#8221; is useful mostly to marketers. There is no standard. And even if you and I were to agree that Ayinger, for example, makes world class beer that doesn&#8217;t matter if you prefer to drink only top-fermented beers with a good dose of hops.<\/li>\n<li>Michael Jackson carefully defined what he meant by &#8220;world classic&#8221; in his 1982 <em>Pocket Guide to Beer<\/em> and over six more editions and 18 years that list evolved in a, well, <a href=\"http:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/a-short-history-of-jacksons-world-classics\/\">classic manner<\/a>. He set the bar high, allowing but 32 beers classic status in 2000.<\/li>\n<li>Jackson last put numbers on beers for his 2000 <em>Pocket Guide,<\/em> but in the spring of 2007 wrote in general about <a href=\"http:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/tomorrows-classic-beers\/\">&#8220;tomorrow&#8217;s classics&#8221;<\/a> for the introduction to <em>Beer (Eyewitness Companions)<\/em>. He died between the time he wrote that and the book was published, so there was no opportunity for him to elaborate or provide specific examples.<\/li>\n<p>While it is fun, even valid, to guess what beers Jackson might have anointed given time (and we&#8217;ll get to that in a moment) I think the seven lists available will remain worth consulting for quite a while. <\/p>\n<p>Consider the case of Augustiner <em>Hell.<\/em> He did not write about the beer in the 1982 guide, but in 1986 assigned it 4 stars (the top rating, marking it as a classic) and continued to do so until 2000. Then he wrote it &#8220;seems to have become markedly thinner in recent years, but still has a soft, sweet, clean maltiness&#8221; and he gave it 2 to 3 stars. <em>Gulp.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>With that in mind, consider <a href=\"http:\/\/beervana.blogspot.com\/2009\/12\/defining-world-classic-beers.html\">Jeff Alworth&#8217;s discourse<\/a> about the importance time plays in earning &#8220;classic&#8221; status. He asks a fair question.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Yet I wonder, is it possible for the gears of history to turn enough&#8211;however slowly&#8211;so that an immigrant brewery, the descendant of a venerable classic, may one day supplant the old country&#8217;s hold on the style? Is it possible for a New Jersey pilsner to take the mantle from <em>Pilsner Urquell<\/em>? (We know how that old-world standard has declined.) This is not a question for judges, of course. These designations are much more anthropological. We commend classic status by slow cultural agreement. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A New Jersey pilsner? How about for a Czech pilsner other than PU? Those who drink the beers regularly will argue that <em>Kout na \u0160umave 12<\/em> has surpassed <em>Pilsner Urquell<\/em>. Although I particularly enjoyed the ulfiltered version of PU served at the brewery museum in Pilsen, <em>Kout na \u0160umave 12<\/em> was better in Prague and better still in the Czech countryside. Likewise, when we were in Germany a year ago I drank both <em>Jever<\/em> (Jackson&#8217;s 4-star German pilsner) and <em>Schonr&#228;mer Pils<\/em> on  enough separate occasions to be certain I prefer the latter.<\/p>\n<p>That was true even before <em>Schonr&#228;mer Pils<\/em> won gold in the European Beer Star Awards. In fact, you know what? I don&#8217;t give a diddly about that award. Drinking <em>Kout na \u0160umave<\/em> and <em>Schonr&#228;mer Pils<\/em> I wasn&#8217;t thinking &#8220;How does this compare to ****?&#8221; or &#8220;Is this the best whatever in the world?&#8221; I was thinking, &#8220;This is a friggin&#8217; great beer.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So I see the sense in Ron Pattinson&#8217;s post that <a href=\"http:\/\/barclayperkins.blogspot.com\/2010\/01\/dividing-brewers.html\">how you characterize a brewery<\/a> isn&#8217;t nearly as important as the beer in your glass. But there&#8217;s also value in establishing a standard and holding the standard bearer accountable. &#8220;Four stars? Sorry, two-and-a-half stars in this guide.&#8221; That&#8217;s why we end up with a discussion about whether Pilsner Urquell <a href=\"http:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/a-short-history-of-jacksons-world-classics\/#comment-270271\">is the same beer today as it was<\/a> <del datetime=\"2010-01-05T12:15:39+00:00\">when it was lagered for three months in open, wooden fermenters.<\/del> Per Ron&#8217;s comment (below) that should have read fermented in open wooden vats, then lagered for three months in closed wooden barrels.<\/p>\n<p>Now to the matter of which of today&#8217;s beers that might be tomorrow&#8217;s classics. Feel free to talk among yourselves. I can offer a few hints because I contributed to <em>Beer (Eyewitness Companions)<\/em>. As &#8220;editor in chief&#8221; Michael did not micro-manage the content. He provided me with pretty simple marching orders for the U.S. section: write about the &#8220;revolution&#8221; (his word) and mention both new beers such as Goose Island&#8217;s <em>Matilda<\/em>, Lost Abbey <em>Cuvee de Tomme<\/em> and Russian River <em>Pliny the Elder<\/em> as well pioneering beers like Anchor <em>Liberty Ale<\/em> and Sierra Nevada <em>Bigfoot<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>He already rated the last two as classics.<\/p>\n<p>Draw your own conclusions.<\/p>\n<p><!--adsense--><\/p>\n<p><code>&nbsp;<\/code><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s not always that easy to walk back into a conversation 10 days later, so let&#8217;s clean up a few loose ends from the posts about &#8220;world class&#8221; and &#8220;world classics&#8221; and move on to whatever this blog is supposed to be about. The term &#8220;world class&#8221; is useful mostly to marketers. There is &#8230; <a title=\"World class, old &#038; new classics, fini\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/world-class-old-new-classics-fini\/\" aria-label=\"More on World class, old &#038; new classics, fini\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2852","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-beers-of-conviction"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4wTn-K0","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2852","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2852"}],"version-history":[{"count":36,"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2852\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2887,"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2852\/revisions\/2887"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2852"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2852"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/appellationbeer.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2852"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}