Comments on: Thursday morning musing: Take the quiz

By: Ray Langley

Ray Langley — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:18:39 +0000

Just a quick note to Stonch and Matt’s point. I agree that quality is extremely important. I’ve been to a few brewpubs that have a number of different beers on tap and none of them are exceptional. I usually don’t go back in that case. But I still love variety and I also understand when a brewer may need to tweak something for flavor or supply issues and personally I don’t get worked up over it.

Stan great point on how the American brewpub is starting revive the pub/community life. No better examples than Il Vicino tap room, Turtle Mountain and even Chama River (although maybe to a lesser extent because it draws a lot more people and therefor can feel a little more impersonal.)

By: Stan Hieronymus

Stan Hieronymus — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:48:28 +0000

Great input all around. I’m back, catching up, and less distracted. Sierra tied for third in the city Spelling Bee – chocolate cake all around tonight!

Stonch, I wasn’t sure where to comment on the variety/quality issue. Here or thread at your place. I can better discuss the US, where many brewpubs will keep on 4-6 beers they have mastered and rotate specials through the other taps. As you know, freshness alone adds irreplaceable flavors to beer. Won’t make up for a bad beer, but can make a good one a very good one.

That’s one advantage brewpubs have, another being they are the grass roots of America’s beer revival. Places where pub/community life has been revived. That experience is as important as the quality of the beer. And variety is part of the experience.

Thanks for starting the conversation, Matt, but you could have mentioned the high-paying job you gave up to brew . . . teaching school.

By: Rick Sellers

Rick Sellers — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:51:45 +0000

Don’t forget this piece, telling you how to become a beer geek. From what I can tell, step one is to rate beers… I would have thought learning about beers would be a better starting point – maybe I missed something though.

http://seattlest.com/2008/01/16/how_to_become_a.php

By: Kyle

Kyle — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:30:15 +0000

Interesting take all around. Just one thing to add really quick. I love beer, I love trying beer, I appreciate beer and especially the work that goes into making good beer. But I do wonder why it has to be analyzed so much? If SNPA is good, who cares if it becomes ubiquitous? Why must beer be “rated” the same way, thinking of beer advocate and the like?
Personally, when I hear of beer growing to be appreciated like wine, that kind of makes me scared for my delicious local brews will become unattainable due to over-demand, over-priced, etc.
Just realized this is a rant, sorry. Love the comments and this site!

By: Matt

Matt — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:39:56 +0000

Alan-I don’t think irritation is the right word. The growing voice of the consumer is very important (as my friend says, the public votes with their dollar) and attention should be paid, but rather it is just a comment on certain extremes that are building and perhaps the absurdity that some comments carry.-and yes, maybe just in certain parts of the consumers of craft beer.

Stonch, CPA means Certified public accountant. I could have inserted any other well paying job (lawyer, IT guy, etc) that someone seems crazy to leave for the brewing world.
Also, I would agree variety + diversity+ Quality= good, but I disagree in taking quality OVER the other two. To read that literally, I could say I will drink BMC for the rest of my life and nothing else (because those beers are high quality American Light lagers even if you don’t like that style) or more realistically let me pick Sierra Nevada Pale ale, a beer that I think is of high quality. Nothing else. Boring to me. I’d rather crack a few stinkers and enjoy my time beer hunting.

By: SteveH

SteveH — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:05:24 +0000

“What I really mean is that the real discerning beer drinker can spot and should appreciate slight tweaks in a recipe or variations in ingredients while the beer stays relatively the same (or improves)

I understand that concept and appreciate it completely, especially from a brewpub — to me, it makes me realize how fresh and hands-on the beer is.

From what I’ve heard about Flossmoor these days Matt, I don’t think there’s anything that needs covering up in your beers.

By: Stonch

Stonch — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:04:31 +0000

“I think the comment “variety and diversity = good” is dead on”

I don’t agree, because you didn’t mention quality – give me quality over variety any day.

By: Stonch

Stonch — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:02:47 +0000

I didn’t answer yes to a single one of them. Not even close.

PS. What does CPA mean?

By: Alan

Alan — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:02:12 +0000

I read this with interest not because of the questions asked but that they were asked and by whom they were bing asked. Is there a bit of irritation being shown here in and in a number of quarters about the growing voice of the consumer or maybe only one part of the consumers of craft beer?

I think push back is a good think in the sense that it is part of dialogue that is the marketplace and there has been a real issue with some of the strength of language being used in response to much of the work being done by craft brewers. This is not to say that we as beer fans should not be wary of what factors are affecting the market – quite the opposite. But we have to recognize that our own voices can be a very strong factor and misuse of that voice can do more harm than good.

By: Ray Langley

Ray Langley — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:28:12 +0000

I remember early in my sojourn to craft beer that I was always disappointed that the local brewpub would only have the same five or six beers on tap. I was challenging myself and I wanted more variety. I did keep this to myself other to compliment the head brewer whenever the specials would come on. After time I setteled in on a few beers and definetly appreciate a bit of consistency in the beer. However, I still love when I walk into a brewpub and see that they have a new treat on tap to try. Then I usually settle back into my IPA. I think the comment “variety and diversity = good” is dead on. It’s also good to remind people: “This is just beer – enjoy it and don’t take it so damn seriously.”