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		<title>By: Jeff Alworth</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/the-craft-beer-conundrum-what-does-it-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-34225</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Alworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one other example: Guinness, which is among the biggest breweries in the world.  While I find their American draft pretty thin soup, Extra Stout is on my top ten list.  Macro craft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one other example: Guinness, which is among the biggest breweries in the world.  While I find their American draft pretty thin soup, Extra Stout is on my top ten list.  Macro craft.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alworth</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/the-craft-beer-conundrum-what-does-it-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-34223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Alworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lew, I&#039;m not following you totally here (though I appreciate the conversation you started).  My feeling is that macros can make craft beer.  They tend to sabotauge (sp?) themselves by thinking of a mass audience though, which means they dumb down the beer.  This is just the thing--they moderate the &quot;craft&quot; by thinking about the market.  You can&#039;t serve two masters.  (Okay, that&#039;s not true--Stan&#039;s right, but more in a minute.)

Actually, the local Willamette Week had me lead a tasting a couple years back when AB came out with a couple winter seasonals (Budweiser Brew Masters Private Reserve and the &quot;oak-aged dark vanilla&quot; Michelob Celebrate).  Obviously, AB has the greatest assembled talent in America on its team and could, if it wished, produce a sublime winter ale.  We got together a couple brewers (Christian Ettinger, Alan Sprints) a barkeep, and a bunch of WW staffers, and then tried the beer in a flight with NW seasonals.  The second the two AB products came out, literally everyone in the room knew it, and mocking ensued.

And the flip side is also true.  Mostly in the NW, breweries don&#039;t carefully &quot;craft&quot; their sessions and milds.  This is a minor theme of mine, because they&#039;re actually the hardest beers to brew well.  My guess is that they are brewing up light beers for people they assume don&#039;t like beer--something for Aunt Millie, when she comes along with the fam.  Anyway, whatever their motivation, these aren&#039;t well-crafted.

An even better example are those periodic micros that come along purely as a business venture; they make midrange, inoffensive, focus-grouped beers that are brewed in &quot;craft&quot; styles, but are nevertheless purely commercial products.  

To Stan, who rightly points out that commerce and art need not be different.  For the brave who trust their beers, this is spot-on.  I cite Deschutes in the Oregon market as a classic case of this.  When we had the late-90s shakeout, a lot of breweries hired PR firms and tried to overcome the dip with good packaging and mass-market appeal (in their recipes as well).  But Deschutes kept on plugging away, counter-intuitively making more characterful beers while other breweries were searching for a mass-audience winner.  In what was a perfectly predictable outcome, Deschutes used that moment to outstrip the competition and has grown like crazy.  Other breweries got the message, and now Oregon breweries mostly don&#039;t mess around with mass-market offerings.  And surprise!  Oregon&#039;s beer is far outselling the national craft market (up 17% last year).

And now, having gone on too long, I&#039;ll shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lew, I&#8217;m not following you totally here (though I appreciate the conversation you started).  My feeling is that macros can make craft beer.  They tend to sabotauge (sp?) themselves by thinking of a mass audience though, which means they dumb down the beer.  This is just the thing&#8211;they moderate the &#8220;craft&#8221; by thinking about the market.  You can&#8217;t serve two masters.  (Okay, that&#8217;s not true&#8211;Stan&#8217;s right, but more in a minute.)</p>
<p>Actually, the local Willamette Week had me lead a tasting a couple years back when AB came out with a couple winter seasonals (Budweiser Brew Masters Private Reserve and the &#8220;oak-aged dark vanilla&#8221; Michelob Celebrate).  Obviously, AB has the greatest assembled talent in America on its team and could, if it wished, produce a sublime winter ale.  We got together a couple brewers (Christian Ettinger, Alan Sprints) a barkeep, and a bunch of WW staffers, and then tried the beer in a flight with NW seasonals.  The second the two AB products came out, literally everyone in the room knew it, and mocking ensued.</p>
<p>And the flip side is also true.  Mostly in the NW, breweries don&#8217;t carefully &#8220;craft&#8221; their sessions and milds.  This is a minor theme of mine, because they&#8217;re actually the hardest beers to brew well.  My guess is that they are brewing up light beers for people they assume don&#8217;t like beer&#8211;something for Aunt Millie, when she comes along with the fam.  Anyway, whatever their motivation, these aren&#8217;t well-crafted.</p>
<p>An even better example are those periodic micros that come along purely as a business venture; they make midrange, inoffensive, focus-grouped beers that are brewed in &#8220;craft&#8221; styles, but are nevertheless purely commercial products.  </p>
<p>To Stan, who rightly points out that commerce and art need not be different.  For the brave who trust their beers, this is spot-on.  I cite Deschutes in the Oregon market as a classic case of this.  When we had the late-90s shakeout, a lot of breweries hired PR firms and tried to overcome the dip with good packaging and mass-market appeal (in their recipes as well).  But Deschutes kept on plugging away, counter-intuitively making more characterful beers while other breweries were searching for a mass-audience winner.  In what was a perfectly predictable outcome, Deschutes used that moment to outstrip the competition and has grown like crazy.  Other breweries got the message, and now Oregon breweries mostly don&#8217;t mess around with mass-market offerings.  And surprise!  Oregon&#8217;s beer is far outselling the national craft market (up 17% last year).</p>
<p>And now, having gone on too long, I&#8217;ll shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m OK with being loyal to a brand - isn&#039;t there some anticipation in tasting what&#039;s new from one of your favorite breweries?

You just have to keep your bearings, evaluate how that brewery/brand is doing. And be willing to accept that the next beer from Anheuser-Busch may blow your socks off.

I love this line: &lt;em&gt;For me, a â€œcraftâ€ beer is one in which the brewerâ€™s commitment is to the beer, not the sale.&lt;/em&gt;

My only quibble would be you can be committed to both.

If you are as goofy as me you think that this translates into something tangible you can taste in the glass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m OK with being loyal to a brand &#8211; isn&#8217;t there some anticipation in tasting what&#8217;s new from one of your favorite breweries?</p>
<p>You just have to keep your bearings, evaluate how that brewery/brand is doing. And be willing to accept that the next beer from Anheuser-Busch may blow your socks off.</p>
<p>I love this line: <em>For me, a â€œcraftâ€ beer is one in which the brewerâ€™s commitment is to the beer, not the sale.</em></p>
<p>My only quibble would be you can be committed to both.</p>
<p>If you are as goofy as me you think that this translates into something tangible you can taste in the glass.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew Bryson</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/the-craft-beer-conundrum-what-does-it-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-34148</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew Bryson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,
You say strap on the blinders...but then you define &quot;craft&quot; beer by things that the blinders keep out! Your definition of &quot;craft&quot; beer works fine for a &quot;craft&quot; brewery, but if this is all just about who&#039;s making the beer and not what it tastes like...shit, man, wasn&#039;t that one of the big problems we all had with macrolager? Didn&#039;t matter what it tasted like, so long as the brand was there and the ads told us to drink it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
You say strap on the blinders&#8230;but then you define &#8220;craft&#8221; beer by things that the blinders keep out! Your definition of &#8220;craft&#8221; beer works fine for a &#8220;craft&#8221; brewery, but if this is all just about who&#8217;s making the beer and not what it tastes like&#8230;shit, man, wasn&#8217;t that one of the big problems we all had with macrolager? Didn&#8217;t matter what it tasted like, so long as the brand was there and the ads told us to drink it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alworth</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/the-craft-beer-conundrum-what-does-it-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-34140</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Alworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that the only way to evaluate whether a beer is a &quot;craft&quot; beer is to strap on the blinders and taste a beer straight.  For me, a &quot;craft&quot; beer is one in which the brewer&#039;s commitment is to the beer, not the sale.  Craft beer can be made by big breweries, and crap beer can be made by micros.  In fact, when you go into a brewpub, there&#039;s almost always a beer or two that the brewer obviously just mailed in.  In our neck of the woods, &quot;goldens&quot; are code for &quot;drink this if you want a Bud substitute.&quot;  The drinker won&#039;t love it, and the brewer doesn&#039;t love it, but there it is.

The craft beer movement came out of the impulse to make good beer, not to get rich.  With the exception of that speculative five-year span in the early 90s or 20 years, that was the only intention.  A-B could make beer that half the country drank, but &#039;Lil Brewery X opened up to make great beer for people in the neighborhood.

Inevitably, business has entered the equation.  The lines between &quot;craft&quot; breweries&quot; and commercial breweries is getting a little blurry (I recently wrote a post on Henry Weinhard&#039;s new Amber--a $7-per-sixer &quot;commercial&quot; organic).  A lot of craft breweries are focus-grouping their new releases to find saleable offerings.  

But it still seems evident to me what &quot;craft&quot; beer is.  It&#039;s right there in the name--

&lt;i&gt;craft&lt;/i&gt; (n) - an art, trade, or occupation requiring special skill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that the only way to evaluate whether a beer is a &#8220;craft&#8221; beer is to strap on the blinders and taste a beer straight.  For me, a &#8220;craft&#8221; beer is one in which the brewer&#8217;s commitment is to the beer, not the sale.  Craft beer can be made by big breweries, and crap beer can be made by micros.  In fact, when you go into a brewpub, there&#8217;s almost always a beer or two that the brewer obviously just mailed in.  In our neck of the woods, &#8220;goldens&#8221; are code for &#8220;drink this if you want a Bud substitute.&#8221;  The drinker won&#8217;t love it, and the brewer doesn&#8217;t love it, but there it is.</p>
<p>The craft beer movement came out of the impulse to make good beer, not to get rich.  With the exception of that speculative five-year span in the early 90s or 20 years, that was the only intention.  A-B could make beer that half the country drank, but &#8216;Lil Brewery X opened up to make great beer for people in the neighborhood.</p>
<p>Inevitably, business has entered the equation.  The lines between &#8220;craft&#8221; breweries&#8221; and commercial breweries is getting a little blurry (I recently wrote a post on Henry Weinhard&#8217;s new Amber&#8211;a $7-per-sixer &#8220;commercial&#8221; organic).  A lot of craft breweries are focus-grouping their new releases to find saleable offerings.  </p>
<p>But it still seems evident to me what &#8220;craft&#8221; beer is.  It&#8217;s right there in the name&#8211;</p>
<p><i>craft</i> (n) &#8211; an art, trade, or occupation requiring special skill.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t have an opportunity to try the Mich Hefe pre-variety pack as you did, but don&#039;t get me wrong either; I was surprised by the quality and character to style in coming from A-B,  but would I pick it over Schneider, Capital, Sprecher or other outstanding Hefeweizens available?  Probably not, it didn&#039;t stand up &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; well, but I wouldn&#039;t hesitate to drink it at a spot that carried A-B products only (a common occurance around Chicago).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have an opportunity to try the Mich Hefe pre-variety pack as you did, but don&#8217;t get me wrong either; I was surprised by the quality and character to style in coming from A-B,  but would I pick it over Schneider, Capital, Sprecher or other outstanding Hefeweizens available?  Probably not, it didn&#8217;t stand up <i>that</i> well, but I wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to drink it at a spot that carried A-B products only (a common occurance around Chicago).</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, HopsFanatic, didn&#039;t mean to duck your question. I was working on the next post.

Since my sense of &quot;craft&quot; is based on the Brewers Association definition (though I would include Widmer, Goose Island, et al in the club) I couldn&#039;t call it craft. I would call it a specialty beer.

As to my personal test, I haven&#039;t had the current version (Lew suggests it is different). But last year&#039;s didn&#039;t have the character that would cause me to pick it - and I&#039;m using a local, draft example - over Il Vicino Pig Tail.

SteveH, my Michelob experience is a total flip. I was impressed by the Hefe last October at GABF, and it was the reason I went to a little bit of trouble to track down the variety pack. Maybe it was an antcipation thing, but then the Hefe didn&#039;t stand up to what&#039;s dependable here - Weihenstephan and Flying Dog.

And maybe it was because I had no preconceptions about the all-malt Michelob but I was impressed. Didn&#039;t pass the &quot;but it&quot; test but there was a lot there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, HopsFanatic, didn&#8217;t mean to duck your question. I was working on the next post.</p>
<p>Since my sense of &#8220;craft&#8221; is based on the Brewers Association definition (though I would include Widmer, Goose Island, et al in the club) I couldn&#8217;t call it craft. I would call it a specialty beer.</p>
<p>As to my personal test, I haven&#8217;t had the current version (Lew suggests it is different). But last year&#8217;s didn&#8217;t have the character that would cause me to pick it &#8211; and I&#8217;m using a local, draft example &#8211; over Il Vicino Pig Tail.</p>
<p>SteveH, my Michelob experience is a total flip. I was impressed by the Hefe last October at GABF, and it was the reason I went to a little bit of trouble to track down the variety pack. Maybe it was an antcipation thing, but then the Hefe didn&#8217;t stand up to what&#8217;s dependable here &#8211; Weihenstephan and Flying Dog.</p>
<p>And maybe it was because I had no preconceptions about the all-malt Michelob but I was impressed. Didn&#8217;t pass the &#8220;but it&#8221; test but there was a lot there.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to tell ya, if you ever had the opportunity to try the Michelob Hefeweizen that was part of the variety pack last fall/winter, you&#039;d probably be surprised.  OTOH, the new all malt Michelob falls far short in all categories -- IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to tell ya, if you ever had the opportunity to try the Michelob Hefeweizen that was part of the variety pack last fall/winter, you&#8217;d probably be surprised.  OTOH, the new all malt Michelob falls far short in all categories &#8212; IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: HopsFanatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>HopsFanatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m just being a troublemaker, but I want Stan to say if he considers Beach Bum a craft beer.

And if it passes the &quot;complexity, depth of flavor, hop flavor (vs. IBU), texture&quot; test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just being a troublemaker, but I want Stan to say if he considers Beach Bum a craft beer.</p>
<p>And if it passes the &#8220;complexity, depth of flavor, hop flavor (vs. IBU), texture&#8221; test.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s how the whole conversation started: http://lewbryson.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to the review of Beach Bum, that spawned the split discussion of Craft Beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s how the whole conversation started: <a href="http://lewbryson.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://lewbryson.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Scroll down to the review of Beach Bum, that spawned the split discussion of Craft Beer.</p>
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