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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/monday-musing-what-makes-a-beer-local/comment-page-1/#comment-139884</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jess - For obvious reasons I&#039;m kinda focused on the idea of a local brewery right now, and Shiner and Matt get credit for that. And even in the &#039;70s they brewed some beers that were distinctive.

But they weren&#039;t part of the new wave inspired by Anchor, then New Albion.

Look forward to having this discussion with you sometime at a bar. Not sure how much arguing there would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jess &#8211; For obvious reasons I&#8217;m kinda focused on the idea of a local brewery right now, and Shiner and Matt get credit for that. And even in the &#8217;70s they brewed some beers that were distinctive.</p>
<p>But they weren&#8217;t part of the new wave inspired by Anchor, then New Albion.</p>
<p>Look forward to having this discussion with you sometime at a bar. Not sure how much arguing there would be.</p>
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		<title>By: jesskidden</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/monday-musing-what-makes-a-beer-local/comment-page-1/#comment-139826</link>
		<dc:creator>jesskidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH (after putting some more thought to how the Salon author came up with that number), I&#039;ve noticed that several breweries that date from the pre-craft era have recently been &quot;awarded&quot; the &#039;craft&#039; designation by the Brewers Association.  So if one were to look at a list of breweries from 1980 and compare it to a list of craft breweries from the BA today, there&#039;s also Matt (then &quot;West End&quot;) and Spoetzl (#6 and #4 respectively on the BA&#039;s &quot;Top 50 craft breweries of 2007).

Not saying I agree with that or some other definitions of the Brewers Association but part of being a beer fan seems to be everyone gets their own definitions of beer styles and brewery size/type designations (or, at least, a good portion of us reject the &quot;guidelines&quot; of the BA, BJCP and the various beer websites. 

Me, I still bristle at someone writing something like &quot;...the US was covered with microbreweries in the 19th century...&quot;, since I say that term can&#039;t really be anachronistically used for &quot;pre-New Albion&quot; breweries.  But, it&#039;s good to have something to argue about at the bar if one&#039;s not into sports...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH (after putting some more thought to how the Salon author came up with that number), I&#8217;ve noticed that several breweries that date from the pre-craft era have recently been &#8220;awarded&#8221; the &#8216;craft&#8217; designation by the Brewers Association.  So if one were to look at a list of breweries from 1980 and compare it to a list of craft breweries from the BA today, there&#8217;s also Matt (then &#8220;West End&#8221;) and Spoetzl (#6 and #4 respectively on the BA&#8217;s &#8220;Top 50 craft breweries of 2007).</p>
<p>Not saying I agree with that or some other definitions of the Brewers Association but part of being a beer fan seems to be everyone gets their own definitions of beer styles and brewery size/type designations (or, at least, a good portion of us reject the &#8220;guidelines&#8221; of the BA, BJCP and the various beer websites. </p>
<p>Me, I still bristle at someone writing something like &#8220;&#8230;the US was covered with microbreweries in the 19th century&#8230;&#8221;, since I say that term can&#8217;t really be anachronistically used for &#8220;pre-New Albion&#8221; breweries.  But, it&#8217;s good to have something to argue about at the bar if one&#8217;s not into sports&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/monday-musing-what-makes-a-beer-local/comment-page-1/#comment-139733</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jess - exactly. I don&#039;t think there were eight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jess &#8211; exactly. I don&#8217;t think there were eight.</p>
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		<title>By: jesskidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesskidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Eight craft breweries in 1980.

Boulder, DeBakker, New Albion, River City and Sierra-Nevada are the most obvious ones- listed in 1981 Brewers Digest Annual, published in Jan. 1981, so they were all around if not fully opened in 1980.

Tho&#039;, for me, it&#039;s pre-Prohibition roots puts Anchor in it&#039;s own catagory but, OK, that&#039;d make 6.  I think that Alaskan brewery owned by Germans, Prinz Brau, *might* still have been open in &#039;80 but it, too, wasn&#039;t quite &quot;craft&quot; (and was too big even then for the &quot;microbrewery&quot; designation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Eight craft breweries in 1980.</p>
<p>Boulder, DeBakker, New Albion, River City and Sierra-Nevada are the most obvious ones- listed in 1981 Brewers Digest Annual, published in Jan. 1981, so they were all around if not fully opened in 1980.</p>
<p>Tho&#8217;, for me, it&#8217;s pre-Prohibition roots puts Anchor in it&#8217;s own catagory but, OK, that&#8217;d make 6.  I think that Alaskan brewery owned by Germans, Prinz Brau, *might* still have been open in &#8217;80 but it, too, wasn&#8217;t quite &#8220;craft&#8221; (and was too big even then for the &#8220;microbrewery&#8221; designation).</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The&lt;/i&gt; 8 from 1980?  I can probably name one, Anchor.  Quite a few of those 8 are gone now, aren&#039;t they? Unfortunately.

But to the author&#039;s credit, because I read the article through (well, mostly), he follows up with, &lt;i&gt;&quot;A quarter-century later, there are over 1,300. In some cases, they&#039;ve recaptured regional loyalties. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

OTOH, his big finish falls pretty flat, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Now that I was done writing about beer, I went around the corner to the Lighthouse, to watch the All-Star Game and drink ... an Old Style.

Hey, some towns have held on to their swill.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Someone needs to tell him that Old Style isn&#039;t even brewed in LaCrosse anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The</i> 8 from 1980?  I can probably name one, Anchor.  Quite a few of those 8 are gone now, aren&#8217;t they? Unfortunately.</p>
<p>But to the author&#8217;s credit, because I read the article through (well, mostly), he follows up with, <i>&#8220;A quarter-century later, there are over 1,300. In some cases, they&#8217;ve recaptured regional loyalties. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>OTOH, his big finish falls pretty flat, <i>&#8220;Now that I was done writing about beer, I went around the corner to the Lighthouse, to watch the All-Star Game and drink &#8230; an Old Style.</p>
<p>Hey, some towns have held on to their swill.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Someone needs to tell him that Old Style isn&#8217;t even brewed in LaCrosse anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/monday-musing-what-makes-a-beer-local/comment-page-1/#comment-139282</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point would be: Can you name eight? Can anybody?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point would be: Can you name eight? Can anybody?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daria was on Jeopardy?  I missed a post -- congrats!  Pretty cool.

“In 1980, America had eight craft breweries.”  Uh, yeah... and almost 30 years later and into a new century?

Yike -- sudden epiphany with that one -- I wasn&#039;t old enough to drink in my state in 1980!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daria was on Jeopardy?  I missed a post &#8212; congrats!  Pretty cool.</p>
<p>“In 1980, America had eight craft breweries.”  Uh, yeah&#8230; and almost 30 years later and into a new century?</p>
<p>Yike &#8212; sudden epiphany with that one &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t old enough to drink in my state in 1980!</p>
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