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		<title>By: Pivní Filosof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pivní Filosof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Protz piece does not say anything that is not true. The problem with it is that it&#039;s seen from a long distance.
I also live in Prague, and I do agree 100% with Evan Rail. The difference between Budvar and the averagle Czech bottler are much bigger than between A-B and Budvar. And it is actually breweries like Primátor who consumers have to champion. It is not available in the US? Ask your specialist shop to contact someone who will import it. It is that simple.
But to be fair, for a brewery of that size and output, Budvar still produces really good beers and there are few other breweries of similar size that can match it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protz piece does not say anything that is not true. The problem with it is that it&#8217;s seen from a long distance.<br />
I also live in Prague, and I do agree 100% with Evan Rail. The difference between Budvar and the averagle Czech bottler are much bigger than between A-B and Budvar. And it is actually breweries like Primátor who consumers have to champion. It is not available in the US? Ask your specialist shop to contact someone who will import it. It is that simple.<br />
But to be fair, for a brewery of that size and output, Budvar still produces really good beers and there are few other breweries of similar size that can match it.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;...(well, when it finally got here as “Czechvar”) *benefitted* from the long history of the A-B/Budvar lawsuits, in that it had a build-in “word of mouth” as the “true” Budweiser. Otherwise, it might just have been just another green-bottled imported from “somewhere over there in Europe”.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, Budvar had a history as &quot;Budvar&quot; here in the U.S. -- I have a &lt;i&gt;brown&lt;/i&gt; .5 liter bottle I kept as a collector when I knew the label was going to be swapped due to the legal battle.

But your point reinforces what I was trying to say above, and get across to Evan, beer &quot;afficianados&quot; here in the U.S. made Budvar popular because they knew it was what U.S. Bud was really supposed to be (give or take).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;(well, when it finally got here as “Czechvar”) *benefitted* from the long history of the A-B/Budvar lawsuits, in that it had a build-in “word of mouth” as the “true” Budweiser. Otherwise, it might just have been just another green-bottled imported from “somewhere over there in Europe”.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, Budvar had a history as &#8220;Budvar&#8221; here in the U.S. &#8212; I have a <i>brown</i> .5 liter bottle I kept as a collector when I knew the label was going to be swapped due to the legal battle.</p>
<p>But your point reinforces what I was trying to say above, and get across to Evan, beer &#8220;afficianados&#8221; here in the U.S. made Budvar popular because they knew it was what U.S. Bud was really supposed to be (give or take).</p>
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		<title>By: jesskidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesskidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the &quot;don&#039;t get up for &#039;nother cup of coffee in the middle of writing a post  and leave your thought incomplete&quot; department.

&quot;Go far enough back, and that’s how the original Prior (from PA brewers Scheidt and then Schmidt’s) was marketed.&quot;

Prior, of course, was based on Pilsner Urquell (which stopped shipments to the US during WWII), and distributed  by the original P/U importer.  My point?  I&#039;m not sure, now (after that extra caffeine) since, in some ways, it&#039;s closed to A-B Bud vs. Budvar but, the point was, it was sort of &quot;guerilla&quot; marketed as the &quot;true&quot; Pilsner Urquell for a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the &#8220;don&#8217;t get up for &#8216;nother cup of coffee in the middle of writing a post  and leave your thought incomplete&#8221; department.</p>
<p>&#8220;Go far enough back, and that’s how the original Prior (from PA brewers Scheidt and then Schmidt’s) was marketed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Prior, of course, was based on Pilsner Urquell (which stopped shipments to the US during WWII), and distributed  by the original P/U importer.  My point?  I&#8217;m not sure, now (after that extra caffeine) since, in some ways, it&#8217;s closed to A-B Bud vs. Budvar but, the point was, it was sort of &#8220;guerilla&#8221; marketed as the &#8220;true&#8221; Pilsner Urquell for a time.</p>
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		<title>By: jesskidden</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesskidden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some respects, &quot;Budvar&quot; in the US (well, when it finally got here as &quot;Czechvar&quot;) *benefitted* from the long history of the A-B/Budvar lawsuits, in that it had a build-in &quot;word of mouth&quot; as the &quot;true&quot; Budweiser.  Otherwise, it might just have been just another green-bottled imported from &quot;somewhere over there in Europe&quot;.

Granted, the official PR had to be worded in a certain cryptic way, but many retailers with magic markers had no such restrictions.  In fact, over the years, those same retailers had been selling a number of beers as the &quot;true Budweiser&quot; (I recall hand written signs for &quot;Crystal&quot; and either Samson or Burgerbrau over the years, all from the same brewer IIRC).  Go far enough back, and that&#039;s how the original Prior (from PA brewers Scheidt and then Schmidt&#039;s) was marketed.

In fact, one would have to say that the original Czechvar importers (there&#039;ve been a few in it&#039;s short life, right?) kinda squandered the &quot;rep&quot; the beer had, after an intial burst of promotion and press.  In NJ, (a huge market for imports, where Pilsner Urquell is quite common) I *never* see fresh Czechvar anymore (I know one pretty well-stocked store with 1/2 liter brown bottles with &quot;Best By&quot; dates of Feb. 2006).  Some of that maybe the due to problems with switch to A-B distributors, but the InBev beers in this area had few problems that I saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some respects, &#8220;Budvar&#8221; in the US (well, when it finally got here as &#8220;Czechvar&#8221;) *benefitted* from the long history of the A-B/Budvar lawsuits, in that it had a build-in &#8220;word of mouth&#8221; as the &#8220;true&#8221; Budweiser.  Otherwise, it might just have been just another green-bottled imported from &#8220;somewhere over there in Europe&#8221;.</p>
<p>Granted, the official PR had to be worded in a certain cryptic way, but many retailers with magic markers had no such restrictions.  In fact, over the years, those same retailers had been selling a number of beers as the &#8220;true Budweiser&#8221; (I recall hand written signs for &#8220;Crystal&#8221; and either Samson or Burgerbrau over the years, all from the same brewer IIRC).  Go far enough back, and that&#8217;s how the original Prior (from PA brewers Scheidt and then Schmidt&#8217;s) was marketed.</p>
<p>In fact, one would have to say that the original Czechvar importers (there&#8217;ve been a few in it&#8217;s short life, right?) kinda squandered the &#8220;rep&#8221; the beer had, after an intial burst of promotion and press.  In NJ, (a huge market for imports, where Pilsner Urquell is quite common) I *never* see fresh Czechvar anymore (I know one pretty well-stocked store with 1/2 liter brown bottles with &#8220;Best By&#8221; dates of Feb. 2006).  Some of that maybe the due to problems with switch to A-B distributors, but the InBev beers in this area had few problems that I saw.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And yes, that beer should be available in the US.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll look for it on the shelves.

&lt;i&gt;Golden Pheasant, huh? How does that compare to regular Heineken?&lt;/i&gt;

No comparison in the least -- man, I can tell you&#039;re being spoiled over there!  The last GP I had was at a quaint Bohemian restaurant in Wisconsin, Vom Faß, on a July afternoon with the temp in the mid 80s F -- man, did that go down nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And yes, that beer should be available in the US.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look for it on the shelves.</p>
<p><i>Golden Pheasant, huh? How does that compare to regular Heineken?</i></p>
<p>No comparison in the least &#8212; man, I can tell you&#8217;re being spoiled over there!  The last GP I had was at a quaint Bohemian restaurant in Wisconsin, Vom Faß, on a July afternoon with the temp in the mid 80s F &#8212; man, did that go down nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had Bürgerbräu for AABM&#039;s &quot;Beer Talk&quot; three years ago. I vaguely remember a spicy element in the flavor, and thinking it would be better closer to home.

Imported by &lt;a href=&quot;http://classicbevs.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Classic Beverages&lt;/a&gt; (the link is to their website, which doesn&#039;t seem to say where Bürgerbräu would be available).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had Bürgerbräu for AABM&#8217;s &#8220;Beer Talk&#8221; three years ago. I vaguely remember a spicy element in the flavor, and thinking it would be better closer to home.</p>
<p>Imported by <a href="http://classicbevs.com/" rel="nofollow">Classic Beverages</a> (the link is to their website, which doesn&#8217;t seem to say where Bürgerbräu would be available).</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Rail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ll post on this later at Beer Culture, but my vote for the &quot;true, original Budweiser&quot; isn&#039;t Budvar. It&#039;s the brewery known as Budweiser Bürgerbräu, aka Samson. And yes, that beer should be available in the US. (Though if I understand it correctly, Primátor is not.) 

Golden Pheasant, huh? How does that compare to regular Heineken?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ll post on this later at Beer Culture, but my vote for the &#8220;true, original Budweiser&#8221; isn&#8217;t Budvar. It&#8217;s the brewery known as Budweiser Bürgerbräu, aka Samson. And yes, that beer should be available in the US. (Though if I understand it correctly, Primátor is not.) </p>
<p>Golden Pheasant, huh? How does that compare to regular Heineken?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW -- is Primator available in the U.S?</description>
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		<title>By: SteveH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;But in Czech terms, I can think of some far better ones, too.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I would probably tend to agree, but are they available in the U.S?  And, big deal here -- do they poke the tiger&#039;s cage by saying they&#039;re the true, original Budweiser?  That&#039;s where I think we delight the most!

And for the record -- I&#039;ve often said I like Urquell and Golden Pheasant better than Budvar, but when rubbing the big cat&#039;s fur in the wrong direction, nothing like the &quot;true&quot; Bud!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;But in Czech terms, I can think of some far better ones, too.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I would probably tend to agree, but are they available in the U.S?  And, big deal here &#8212; do they poke the tiger&#8217;s cage by saying they&#8217;re the true, original Budweiser?  That&#8217;s where I think we delight the most!</p>
<p>And for the record &#8212; I&#8217;ve often said I like Urquell and Golden Pheasant better than Budvar, but when rubbing the big cat&#8217;s fur in the wrong direction, nothing like the &#8220;true&#8221; Bud!  <img src='http://appellationbeer.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Rail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Roger and I actually corresponded before I wrote my post: I&#039;d noticed a typo in his amount of increase in exports for Budvar and he thanked me and said he&#039;d put it right (though I think the number is still incorrect at this point; trivia fans should note it is 5.8%, not 3%, according to Budvar&#039;s own press release at http://www.budvar.cz/en/web2/Tiskove-centrum/Tiskovky/en/2008-01-07-sales.html). 

After the post came out, Roger gave me a thumbs-up. He&#039;s a great guy who deserves all the respect he&#039;s got, and not just for his outstanding expertise and writing: he also gave me some much-needed advice when I was starting on GBGPCR, and he&#039;s thanked him by name in the book&#039;s acknowledgments. I owe him more than just a beer.  

As I said, my point with this post was only to provide the local angle as I understand it. (I&#039;m an outsider, too, albeit one who has lived here for a long time.) 

What I&#039;d like to reiterate is that the outside view is sometimes right: Budvar can look like David when it battles the Anheuser-Busch Goliath. But for small Czech breweries like Rebel, Herold, Chodovar, Svijany and others, Budvar is no longer David. Instead, it&#039;s Goliath, 10 times larger, a massive enterprise which sometimes acts like a Goliath, too. It&#039;s fine to root for Budvar from afar. But if you&#039;re up close, you&#039;d probably want to pull for the little guys. 

Steve, you said you can think of worse beers than Budvar to champion. So can I. But in Czech terms, I can think of some far better ones, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Roger and I actually corresponded before I wrote my post: I&#8217;d noticed a typo in his amount of increase in exports for Budvar and he thanked me and said he&#8217;d put it right (though I think the number is still incorrect at this point; trivia fans should note it is 5.8%, not 3%, according to Budvar&#8217;s own press release at <a href="http://www.budvar.cz/en/web2/Tiskove-centrum/Tiskovky/en/2008-01-07-sales.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.budvar.cz/en/web2/Tiskove-centrum/Tiskovky/en/2008-01-07-sales.html)</a>. </p>
<p>After the post came out, Roger gave me a thumbs-up. He&#8217;s a great guy who deserves all the respect he&#8217;s got, and not just for his outstanding expertise and writing: he also gave me some much-needed advice when I was starting on GBGPCR, and he&#8217;s thanked him by name in the book&#8217;s acknowledgments. I owe him more than just a beer.  </p>
<p>As I said, my point with this post was only to provide the local angle as I understand it. (I&#8217;m an outsider, too, albeit one who has lived here for a long time.) </p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to reiterate is that the outside view is sometimes right: Budvar can look like David when it battles the Anheuser-Busch Goliath. But for small Czech breweries like Rebel, Herold, Chodovar, Svijany and others, Budvar is no longer David. Instead, it&#8217;s Goliath, 10 times larger, a massive enterprise which sometimes acts like a Goliath, too. It&#8217;s fine to root for Budvar from afar. But if you&#8217;re up close, you&#8217;d probably want to pull for the little guys. </p>
<p>Steve, you said you can think of worse beers than Budvar to champion. So can I. But in Czech terms, I can think of some far better ones, too.</p>
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