Comments on: Ground zero for beer? http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:54:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SteveH http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26217 SteveH Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:40:26 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-26217 Uh, that is same *type* of glass... Uh, that is same *type* of glass…

]]> By: SteveH http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26213 SteveH Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:04:42 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-26213 Dunkel and Schwarzbier are far from the same beer! Schwarzbier has more roasted malt bitterness in character, while Dunkel is smooth and sweet without being cloying. As far as any of the others I listed being "remarkably" similar, it's all a matter of training your palate. Set a pils and helles in front of me in the same glass and I'll pick each style with one sip -- maybe even one sniff. And yes - St. Georgen is wonderful stuff, but I'm amazed to see you've never tried it before. You have a lot of catching up to do my friend! ;-) S. Dunkel and Schwarzbier are far from the same beer! Schwarzbier has more roasted malt bitterness in character, while Dunkel is smooth and sweet without being cloying.

As far as any of the others I listed being “remarkably” similar, it’s all a matter of training your palate. Set a pils and helles in front of me in the same glass and I’ll pick each style with one sip — maybe even one sniff.

And yes – St. Georgen is wonderful stuff, but I’m amazed to see you’ve never tried it before. You have a lot of catching up to do my friend! ;-)

S.

]]> By: Stonch http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26210 Stonch Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:38:10 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-26210 Some of those styles - while indisputably different - are remarkably similar to one another, and some are used interchangeably for the same beers (dunkel/schwarzbier). Nonetheless, I take your point. I certainly need a trip to Bavaria very soon. I tried my first kellerbier last night - see here for my review - <a href="http://stonch.blogspot.com/2007/04/wetherspoons-real-ale-festival-22-april.html" rel="nofollow"> St Georgen Brau</a> Some of those styles – while indisputably different – are remarkably similar to one another, and some are used interchangeably for the same beers (dunkel/schwarzbier). Nonetheless, I take your point.

I certainly need a trip to Bavaria very soon.

I tried my first kellerbier last night – see here for my review –
St Georgen Brau

]]> By: SteveH http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26205 SteveH Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:34:36 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-26205 Oh, they do the same in Bavaria -- seen it, done it. Hefeweizen, Helles, Dunkel, Pils, Keller, Maibock, Weizenbock, Doppelbock, Dunkelweizen, Oktoberfest, Rauchbier, Swarzbier... I think there's variety enough to satisfy the tenacious beer hunter. Oh, they do the same in Bavaria — seen it, done it.

Hefeweizen, Helles, Dunkel, Pils, Keller, Maibock, Weizenbock, Doppelbock, Dunkelweizen, Oktoberfest, Rauchbier, Swarzbier… I think there’s variety enough to satisfy the tenacious beer hunter.

]]> By: Stonch http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-26006 Stonch Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:45:21 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-26006 My problem with Bavaria is that, alhough there's lots of enthusiasm for beer culture, the variety of the beer being produced can't match England or Belgium. And I find it difficult to believe that beer is bigger news in Bavaria than it is in Bohemia ... they drink beer anytime, anywhere! My problem with Bavaria is that, alhough there’s lots of enthusiasm for beer culture, the variety of the beer being produced can’t match England or Belgium.

And I find it difficult to believe that beer is bigger news in Bavaria than it is in Bohemia … they drink beer anytime, anywhere!

]]> By: Loren http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-25920 Loren Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:14:23 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-25920 Russian River's expansion was due to come...glad to see it's finally public news. Bring on the bottled Blind Pig! BTW...do you happen to have video/audio of Vinnie's recent speech RE: Jack McAuliffe @ the Conference in Austin? Russian River’s expansion was due to come…glad to see it’s finally public news.

Bring on the bottled Blind Pig!

BTW…do you happen to have video/audio of Vinnie’s recent speech RE: Jack McAuliffe @ the Conference in Austin?

]]> By: Stan Hieronymus http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-25917 Stan Hieronymus Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:56:53 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-25917 Stonch, I'm not voting for Bavaria but I think the argument would start with the history, the number of styles that originated there, Oktoberfest, the hop going regions, and other reasons I should know. In the 1880s they produced, and drank much of, something like 180 gallons for every man, woman and child. If we started with the premise there could be a centre, then we could track its historic movement. Pete Brown recently had a story in All About Beer magazine about Burton-On-Trent. Until then I don't think I appreciated the size/volume of Burton at its height. Stonch, I’m not voting for Bavaria but I think the argument would start with the history, the number of styles that originated there, Oktoberfest, the hop going regions, and other reasons I should know. In the 1880s they produced, and drank much of, something like 180 gallons for every man, woman and child.

If we started with the premise there could be a centre, then we could track its historic movement. Pete Brown recently had a story in All About Beer magazine about Burton-On-Trent. Until then I don’t think I appreciated the size/volume of Burton at its height.

]]> By: SteveH http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-25916 SteveH Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:53:54 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-25916 In word, Gemütlichkeit. :) Honestly though, I just threw Bavaria in there because it's my favorite -- there certainly are too many good places with good beer to focus any sort of center. You'll notice my center covers close to 4,000 miles! Anywhere from New Glarus, WI to Salzburg, Austria. As far as beer scene competitions, and having experienced both London and Munich scenes, I think the Bavarians have a bigger culture around beer than the Brits. Sure, they both like their beers and the argument of whose is better will never die, but when a whole city population holds its beverage of choice and the amosphere around it (Bierhalls and Gartens and Fests) to near religious proportions, well -- there's no question who wins. Bohemia and Belgium may be as enthusiatic, but until I get the opportunity to visit I can't comment. In word, Gemütlichkeit. :)

Honestly though, I just threw Bavaria in there because it’s my favorite — there certainly are too many good places with good beer to focus any sort of center.

You’ll notice my center covers close to 4,000 miles! Anywhere from New Glarus, WI to Salzburg, Austria.

As far as beer scene competitions, and having experienced both London and Munich scenes, I think the Bavarians have a bigger culture around beer than the Brits. Sure, they both like their beers and the argument of whose is better will never die, but when a whole city population holds its beverage of choice and the amosphere around it (Bierhalls and Gartens and Fests) to near religious proportions, well — there’s no question who wins.

Bohemia and Belgium may be as enthusiatic, but until I get the opportunity to visit I can’t comment.

]]> By: Stan Hieronymus http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-25915 Stan Hieronymus Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:49:41 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-25915 Loren, Santa Rosa is getting a new brewery. Same brewer, though ;>) The Cilurzos have bought the old Dogfish Head 50-barrel system. Monday they sign a lease on a building. No six packs. Pliney and Blind Pig in some sort of bigger package (maybe not 22-ounce bottles). Yes, it is worth a story rather than a blog comment, so a story soon. Loren, Santa Rosa is getting a new brewery. Same brewer, though ;>)

The Cilurzos have bought the old Dogfish Head 50-barrel system. Monday they sign a lease on a building. No six packs. Pliney and Blind Pig in some sort of bigger package (maybe not 22-ounce bottles).

Yes, it is worth a story rather than a blog comment, so a story soon.

]]> By: Stonch http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/comment-page-1/#comment-25903 Stonch Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:33:28 +0000 http://appellationbeer.com/blog/ground-zero-for-beer/#comment-25903 Now then fellas. I've said there's no centre of the beer universe, something I sincerely believe to be true. Nonetheless, in the spirit of free and easy discussion, I want to ask why Bavaria is being suggested as one of the places one might consider a centre? As far as I can see it, Bohemia has as much claim as Bavaria, and in any event these days neither can compete with Belgium, England or indeed certain parts of the US for the richness of the beer scene... Now then fellas.

I’ve said there’s no centre of the beer universe, something I sincerely believe to be true.

Nonetheless, in the spirit of free and easy discussion, I want to ask why Bavaria is being suggested as one of the places one might consider a centre?

As far as I can see it, Bohemia has as much claim as Bavaria, and in any event these days neither can compete with Belgium, England or indeed certain parts of the US for the richness of the beer scene…

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