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	<title>Comments on: Could Magic Hat be a local beer on the West Coast?</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://appellationbeer.com/blog/could-magic-hat-be-a-local-beer-on-the-west-coast/comment-page-1/#comment-117166</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a large part of it is how much do they actively participate in the community. When our local homebrew club had a competition last year New Belgium and Avery were big supporters for helping us. New Belgium has actively run the Tour de Fat in a number of cities that promotes local biking efforts and other charities. Neither of these companies by brewery location fits as &#039;local&#039; but I know I am not alone in my town considering New Belgium one of our local breweries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a large part of it is how much do they actively participate in the community. When our local homebrew club had a competition last year New Belgium and Avery were big supporters for helping us. New Belgium has actively run the Tour de Fat in a number of cities that promotes local biking efforts and other charities. Neither of these companies by brewery location fits as &#8216;local&#8217; but I know I am not alone in my town considering New Belgium one of our local breweries.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - I agree. There would probably be a rush to try Magic Hat, but would it stick? And were it brewed at a Pyramid facility would they be using the Ringwood yeast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; I agree. There would probably be a rush to try Magic Hat, but would it stick? And were it brewed at a Pyramid facility would they be using the Ringwood yeast?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Alworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Alworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is that it&#039;s bad news for MacTarnahan&#039;s.  The new company may keep around the MacTarnahan&#039;s label for the Oregon market, but it has so little juice, I can&#039;t see it surviving beyond that.  And I would expect a slow faze out.

Magic Hat beers are brewed for the New England market, which is not exactly the same as the West Coast market.  They might pick up some share just because they have a funky style, but I don&#039;t seem them creating a base here.  Certainly not in Oregon.  But with Pyramid&#039;s capacity, maybe it does make sense to try to brew something else for our market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is that it&#8217;s bad news for MacTarnahan&#8217;s.  The new company may keep around the MacTarnahan&#8217;s label for the Oregon market, but it has so little juice, I can&#8217;t see it surviving beyond that.  And I would expect a slow faze out.</p>
<p>Magic Hat beers are brewed for the New England market, which is not exactly the same as the West Coast market.  They might pick up some share just because they have a funky style, but I don&#8217;t seem them creating a base here.  Certainly not in Oregon.  But with Pyramid&#8217;s capacity, maybe it does make sense to try to brew something else for our market.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure you&#039;re not the only one.  I&#039;m smiling at the degrees of localness cause it can get slippery, but I understand it.  

The issue just brings up the the dilemma everyone small faces...do you stay small and leave your far away fans (west coasters in Magic&#039;s case) thirsty or do you expand to meet demand, even if it means losing a little intimacy with those fans(or being called not local)? Feels like your damned if you do and damned if you don&#039;t. 

What I like about Magic/Pyramid is they&#039;re leveraging geographic locations of the breweries to expand (as opposed to Flying Dog moving completely from one coast to the other).  Magic could have expanded their operations in PA to meet demand in the West, but the shipping costs (and enviro impact) would have been much greater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you&#8217;re not the only one.  I&#8217;m smiling at the degrees of localness cause it can get slippery, but I understand it.  </p>
<p>The issue just brings up the the dilemma everyone small faces&#8230;do you stay small and leave your far away fans (west coasters in Magic&#8217;s case) thirsty or do you expand to meet demand, even if it means losing a little intimacy with those fans(or being called not local)? Feels like your damned if you do and damned if you don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>What I like about Magic/Pyramid is they&#8217;re leveraging geographic locations of the breweries to expand (as opposed to Flying Dog moving completely from one coast to the other).  Magic could have expanded their operations in PA to meet demand in the West, but the shipping costs (and enviro impact) would have been much greater.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I guess it depends, do you consider Gordon Biersch or Rock Bottom local brewpubs in each of their locations?&lt;/em&gt;

Sam - When Rock Bottom began to expand they&#039;d brewed basically the same beer everywhere, same recipes, etc. My opinion, and maybe only mine, is they became much more local when they gave their brewers some autonomy.

That started with seasonal/one-off beers, but since has expanded. So the stout you get in Chicago doesn&#039;t have to be the same as in Denver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I guess it depends, do you consider Gordon Biersch or Rock Bottom local brewpubs in each of their locations?</em></p>
<p>Sam &#8211; When Rock Bottom began to expand they&#8217;d brewed basically the same beer everywhere, same recipes, etc. My opinion, and maybe only mine, is they became much more local when they gave their brewers some autonomy.</p>
<p>That started with seasonal/one-off beers, but since has expanded. So the stout you get in Chicago doesn&#8217;t have to be the same as in Denver.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we get pyramid in colorado, and i&#039;d love to get magic hat here based on this merger. going to college in upstate new york, magic hat was always in the fridge.

now if i could only get gennesee cream ale here...not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we get pyramid in colorado, and i&#8217;d love to get magic hat here based on this merger. going to college in upstate new york, magic hat was always in the fridge.</p>
<p>now if i could only get gennesee cream ale here&#8230;not really.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it depends, do you consider Gordon Biersch or Rock Bottom local brewpubs in each of their locations?  I allways thought the idea of buying local was to support the local community.  So if: 1)Widmer were made in Fairfield, 2)you lived in Fairfield, 3) you bought it...you&#039;d be supporting the guys who brew Widmer in Fairfield, ie supporting people in your community and their jobs.  That would also be a yes to drinking Bud from fairfield...just check the can and make sure it isn&#039;t from Baldwinsville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it depends, do you consider Gordon Biersch or Rock Bottom local brewpubs in each of their locations?  I allways thought the idea of buying local was to support the local community.  So if: 1)Widmer were made in Fairfield, 2)you lived in Fairfield, 3) you bought it&#8230;you&#8217;d be supporting the guys who brew Widmer in Fairfield, ie supporting people in your community and their jobs.  That would also be a yes to drinking Bud from fairfield&#8230;just check the can and make sure it isn&#8217;t from Baldwinsville.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Hieronymus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Hieronymus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that to be local there needs to be more to a beer than &quot;it was brewed nearby.&quot; Tough to define, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that to be local there needs to be more to a beer than &#8220;it was brewed nearby.&#8221; Tough to define, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Swordboarder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swordboarder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Budweiser brewed in Fairfield, CA a local beer? If they ever brew Widmer in Fairfield, does that make it a local beer?

This is sad news. Mergers start with great ideas of moving brands around into new markets and it starts out wonderful. As time moves, the company starts wanting to &quot;focus on core brands&quot; and we end up losing the new and the interesting for brand recognition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Budweiser brewed in Fairfield, CA a local beer? If they ever brew Widmer in Fairfield, does that make it a local beer?</p>
<p>This is sad news. Mergers start with great ideas of moving brands around into new markets and it starts out wonderful. As time moves, the company starts wanting to &#8220;focus on core brands&#8221; and we end up losing the new and the interesting for brand recognition.</p>
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