Okay, okay — that’s what I get for trying to be nice, you’re right — I didn’t like it at all, style aside.

And yeah, there are “craft” (remember, it was me who said I didn’t want to get into that debate) beers that I haven’t liked, but I can’t narrow that down to just the Wit category — and I wouldn’t stick up for them just because they were micros. You know that I subscribe to the “it’s what’s in the glass” bottom line, I even have a Red Hook ESB defense going on over at BeerAdvocate right now.

To the question, is Blue Moon as a “craft beer” equivalent to the “vanilla folk” of P,P, & M? Yes, maybe even less so until Coors finds a way to replicate Puff the Magic Dragon in a beer.

Honestly, who gives a damn? The Brewers Association? I like the guys, but I sure don’t buy their ‘definition’ of craft beer. Is Blue Moon a craft brewery? Certainly not. Can ‘craft beer’ only come from a ‘craft brewery?’ I say no, but I recognize that there may be others who disagree. I still say: show me in the glass what is or is not craft beer. If I pour you a glass of Blue Moon — with you all unaware of what’s going on — I don’t know how you could take a sip and say, “Hey, that’s not craft beer!”

As for as your being enamored of the beer “to style,” what the hell’s that matter, either? Not dissing your tastes at all — really, I’m not — but it’s a Belgian style, man! They are not generally that strictly interpreted. Even lambics, though very strictly interpreted geographically, admit a wide range. I don’t buy disqualifying Blue Moon based on how it ranks as a wit. Tell me you haven’t had ‘craft-brewed’ wits that were less to your liking. I know I have.

Maybe not in the present day, but through its history I believe I can. And not to bring up the definition debate again, but can Blue Moon really be considered a “craft beer?” It doesn’t have a separate brewery from the Coors facilities, does it?

I understand all the talk of them drawing in new beer appreciation and all, but to be honest I was never that enamored with the beer to style. Admittedly, I haven’t sampled it in a while, so I may have to give it another chance sometime — or just stick with the Allagash I’ve been finding locally!

I don’t think you can really accuse a beer that came out in 1996, stayed out through the Great Craft Flatline (I may just have to trademark that one; consider it done), and has now become popular by unforced trial and word of mouth…of chasing the craft revolution.

I was only trying to update and upgrade the choices while trying to find a connection to P,P,&M cancelling out on Chicago — not trying to say Wilco would be drinking the Oberon (especially Tweedy, who is trying to avoid any habit forming intake), but the Chicago fans would (provided they could get it again).

Wilco may have their roots with Uncle Tupe, but they’ve evolved far from those days and their current disc has some real folk to it. And let’s not forget that Tweedy & his wife used to live above her tavern, Lounge Ax, that had a pretty decent tap list the last I was there — the last it was open.

So, in following the OP, I guess I’d say Blue Moon may be trying to chase the craft revolution and shake its Coors bred personna, as P,P, & M seem to be making themselves only a memory, while Oberon & Omegang are leading the revolution as Wilco makes music history and sells out venues.

“BTW…no clue who Peter, Paul and Mary are. Did they ever tour with Black Sabbath? Heh.

Yeah, it’s free associative thinking. Or just rambling.

BTW…no clue who Peter, Paul and Mary are. Did they ever tour with Black Sabbath?